Phil:

Oddly enough, the Ryan Budget Plan contains the exact same cut. Of course, now Mr. Etch-a-Sketch says that he's not following the Ryan Budget Plan and neither is Mr. Ryan.

Oh good grief - why do these lies keep coming up? Where did you hear this and why are you still listening to people that willing send you off to look ignorant?

He didn't. He made it more efficient by eliminating a wasteful program (Medicare Part D) and using the money to plug the 'donut hole' in the Prescription Drug Program (that Ryan VOTED for).

Romney is going to END Medicare, realizing the same savings President Barack Obama has outlined plus even more, and will he be using those savings to better the country? No, Romney is going to give that money to millionaires.

November 2009

Jake Tapper: "One of the concerns about health care and how you pay for it: One third of the funding comes from cuts to Medicare."

Obama: "Right."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5Ha7RNpn24&feature=player_embedded

There is no proposal to END MEDICARE. There is a proposal that would allow people currently under 55 to opt for an alternative program when they get to 65. It would be a choice. Medicare would still be there for those that want it...

Seamus, making elderly (people who are 55 and up) who will be on fixed income and making them pay 68% out of pocket costs while trying to buy private insurance is ridiculous. You do realize that Blue Cross/ Blue Shield made 13 billion of profits right? Do you think they made those profits by not charging people a lot of money for private insurance?

Yes Jan it is truly mindboggling. It doesn’t matter how strongly or how often the
snake oil has been debunked. They just keep repeating them over and over and over and hope they stick.
www.nationalmemo.com/the-big-lie-of-the-day-medicare-cuts/

LJoel, Right back at ya, debunked: "And then, when the Romney campaign began running ads slamming the Obama administration for $716 billion in cuts to Medicare funding, observers pointed out that Ryan’s plan takes a similar amount out of Medicare. President Obama hit back on the campaign trail, insisting his cuts come at the expense of insurance companies and service providers while the costs of Ryan’s voucher alternative come out of the pockets of Medicare recipients." http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-flipflop-mode-20120816,0,7318201.story

LJoel: "It's important to keep track of the Medicare lies, as they're bound to pile up. The basic deal is that the Romney-Ryan line about Obama cutting $716 billion while they'll "strengthen" the program is, shockingly I know, a lie. Ryan's Medicare program cuts the same $716 billion! And then it cuts even more. And then, Romney's proposal, insofar as it can be divined because as usual the details are scant, would likely cut even more than that." http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/14/romney-and-ryan-and-the-medicare-lies.html

If we just left the list of lies at Medicare it might to possible to count that high.
But the lying is endless everywhere.
www.beezernotes.com/wordpress/?tag=mitt-romneys-lies

For the ones who are more visual and don't like to read long articles, a photo: http://www.barackobama.com/romney/medicare-white-board

Jan
How much is saved by eliminating Medicare Part D. I have seen 100 billion in "savings". However, we are talking about the 700 Billion removed from Medicare to fund the ACA. Where are the other 600 Billion in savings? I would think if the savings were real then the Obama campaign would put out a detailed list and tabulation of the savings.
Secondly, President Obama has been quoted, many times, as saying "If you like your current insurance plan you can keep it" What about people on the Medicare Advantage plan? Was he lieing?
Also, speaking of lies, remeber the Obama administration saying that the health care mandate was "not a tax" and then, at the sanme time, the Obama lawyers were in court arguing that the helath care mandate "is a tax"
So who is is telling lies? Help me to understand.

www.classwarfareexists.com/president-obama-did-not-steal...

Below is an explanation about those cost saving measures SV. But do note and I want to make this point perfectly clear. The Romney campaign in those ads are not arguing, as you apparently are, that Obama is overestimating the coast saving figures.
They are saying Obama STOLE 750 billion from Medicare! THAT IS A BALD FACED
LIE!
www.classwarfareexists.com/president-obama-did-not-steal...

LJoel

Did you read the link that you posted on the alleged saving that Obama campaign claims to defend its 700B take away from Medicare?
Did you understand it?
Do you think 1+1=3?

The link defends removing 700B from Medicare by closing the donut hole, eliminating waste and fraud, and ending Medicare Advantage...."If you like your insurance policy you can keep it" as President Obama claimed many times.
The link also says that the President isn't cutting Medicare but reducing the rate of growth.......Hmmmm, when the Ryan budget PROPOSAL said to reduce the rate of growth form 5% to 3% Democrats cried, and still cry, that he is gutting programs. yet, when Obama does it, its not cutting its controlling the rate of growth.
Why doesn't the link give specific examples of the fraud and waste that is being rooted out?

Apparently Mitt Romney is now less popular than… George W. Bush.

That’s according to a new Bloomberg News poll, which finds that former President Bush has 46 percent favorable ratings and 49 percent unfavorable ratings among adults. By contrast, the current GOP presidential candidate Romney has a favorability rating of 43 percent and unfavorable ratings at 50 percent.

President Barack Obama came in with higher favorability than both Republicans, racking up 52 favorable ratings and 44 percent unfavorables.

Romney did, however, beat out Vice President Joe Biden‘s 42 percent net favorable ratings.

The poll’s most favorable leader found was former President Bill Clinton, who polled at 64 percent favorable and 29 percent unfavorable. Coming in second was First Lady Michelle Obama, with 63 favorable and 29 unfavorable.

Yes Salem Voter I read it I understand it and 1+1 =2. You and I can rationally argue
whether or not the 700 billion figure of estimated savings is accurate or not. You
cannot say 700 billion was stolen from Medicare because that is a BOLD FACED LIE! SV you should also know denial is not a river in Egypt.

What? Nobody knows? None of you excessively-informed Right Wing partisans have any idea? You know everything else -- why not this?

The money Obama takes out of medicare will b used to pay for Obamacare which will add over a trillion to the debt. And oh by the way, the seniors will be most hurt by this. Because Obamacare is a massive government takeover of healthcare, medicine will be rationed to hospitals and according to one's age. Also you think healthcare under Romney-Ryan will cost alot? How about the 21 taxes in Obamacare ???????????????

Deciding to cut reimbursements to doctors and hospitals without cutting any actual coverage sounds too good to be true because it is not true. Doctors and hospitals will lose money, some will go bankrupt, and others will refuse to take Medicare patients (as many refuse Medicaid patients now).

Yes, Doctors and Hospitals are on the cusp of bankruptcy......

Travis:

Interestingly enough, you don't refute the spokesperson's claims, you only attack the spokesperson.

That's telling....

Some use more tax loopholes than others, Ex. Romney's Caymen Island, Swiss bank accounts, and Bermuda funds.

And if that's what Mitt is copping to, we can safely assume it's less than 13%. A lot less. Of course, there is one way he could prove he's telling the truth - but he just won't do it. Strange, huh?

"Only the little people pay taxes" - Leona Helmsley, who would have voted for Mittens

comrade geezer, no it means your Brain account is empty

Surprise surprise, Reality Geezer, you hit another hot spot for Jim and he can't explain something because there is no explanation. When you do that, he doesn't come back with a great debate point or facts; he resorts to name calling. This is an adult discussion not a grade school playground.

comrade price babbled :"Surprise surprise, Reality Geezer, you hit another hot spot for Jim and he can't explain something because there is no explanation.''

thank you comrade price for making my point to comrade geezer. I said what I said because there was no explanation . How does one debate simpletons such as you anyway , its like trying to have a conversation with a rock.

I agree with you. Politifact is great at that, I must say, I'm most impressed with Obama. Romney's full of pants on fire!

Ms. Price,

I supposed to be more angry about what Romeny does with his money, than I am as to what the President's Administration is doing with mine and yours:

In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.
According to a public summary document, the loan, from the federal government’s Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is for up to $20. million and is designed to expand Winner Import Ukraine’s automobile business, and construct and operate ‘Winner Autocity,’ which will have two new, state-of-the-art dealership facilities for Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar automobiles.”

“U.S. Economic Impact,” says, “This project will have a positive developmental impact on the host country, Ukraine. The project will generate a significant number of new local jobs." (Both vehicles are non-US Vehicles)

Along with his family, Hynansky and his family also own car dealerships in Pennsylvania and Biden’s home state of Delaware.

During Obama’s 2008 run for president, John Hynansky gave $30,800 to the Obama Victory Fund; Alexandra Hynansky gave $2,550; and Deanne Hynansky gave $2,000 — totaling $35,350 to that campaign.

Yup, Mr. Hynansky definately "Didn't build that himsel"

Dear Hilltopper, no clue if you are a man/women since you hide behind a code name but yet you still expect to be taken seriously, it's "Prince", not Price. You realize the United States gives money all over the world in much bigger amounts that you've mentioned. We give tons of money to allied countries to help them get jobs going and improve health, such as in Africa. Sometimes it's "If you help us by allowing our ships or army to be there, we can help you. It happens. Sorry I was the one to break it to you. I thought that was President Bush's specialty with the countries t hat have oil like Seoudit Arabia. I love your post "according to a public document" that you cannot produce, so it's totally a rumor. Your copy and paste skills need a little help, I'm sure you meant to say "Didn't build that HIMSELF"?

comrade price ..you are definitely not '' one '' of those that counts as the most educated in any state you infiltrate

Dear Jim, another who speaks, yet hides since he doesn't show his last name. Where did you get your college degree? I'm proud of my college degree and speak, read and write in two languages; therefore "Sticks and stones can broke your bones, but names will never hurt me". It's funny, I used to say that in grade school, never thought I'd have to use that sentence with an adult! I love when you hit a hot button, they start name calling instead of resorting to adult conversation and mature debating.

Ms. Prince,

Have all the monies the US sent overseas been based on tax payer funded loans for big bucks donors?

Seeing how you're so proud of your college degree and the ability to speak, read and write in two languages-use your skills and prove me wrong. I know my college degree showed me how to do it and to be mature enough not to point out typos and resort to "code name" calling when you have nothing else. (That's Grade School stuff)

How do I know your name is really Sonia Prince?--it doesn't matter to me. You want a "full name" OK - my name this week is Rudy Baga

comrade price what two languages would those be , dumb and dumber ? Hey college professor of two languages its sticks and stones will BREAK my bones not broke your bones ....never though Id have to correct a two language speaking college graduate. please post some more words of wisdom for us, we all need a good laugh.

Hilltoper, still playing hide-and-seek. Peek-a-boo who are you? I figured this is the best way to communicate since you still won't say who you are, childlike behavior is not worth continuing to speak to "hilltoper" virtual guy. As for Jim, you guessed it, English is my second language and sayings are the hardest to learn. You win! lol Again, not worth continuing conversations with people who have lots of ridiculous stuff to say but hide. So Jim with no last name, where did you go to school? I wouldn't call people dumb if I were you, since they forgot to teach you how to write your last name.

Hilltopper ,ever notice that when ever the lefty's trip over their tongues and facts their only retort is your hiding your identity or no link no cred ... Its like ,without your real name attached to a FACT it cant be factual .Their a laugh a min with their simpelton BS and their ''college educations''

Wow Jim, you have super powers: You say: "A Romney Presidency would never compromise our National security" LOL, Wow JIm, you've solved all the world's problems now since you can tell the future! You do realize Romney has never been President before right? If we had your magic abilities, we'd all be rich with the stock market! Did you follow Romney's last trip abroad? Angered all Palestinians, angered the mayor of London and the Olympic organizers...Romney makes one dumb comment after another. "Corporations are people my friend" with their million dollar bonuses. LOL If Romney can't control his tongue with world leaders, why do you think he can control leaks or not comprominse our National Security? You've heard about his cookie compliments at someone's home who was hosting an event for him right? You've heard what he thinks about putting dogs on roofs, seriously? If he can't behave himself in everyday normal simple situations or while he travels, why do you think he'll be super great as president. I think it's funny. Seals have vowed to never discuss such a high profile mission to not endanger their families. Here are a few other false and related nasty rumors regarding the story about the Seals, I’m sure you can’t wait to spread some more.....
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/navyseal.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/quotes/ownwords.asp

Ahh, the re-run of the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" gambit that trumpeted an AWOL drunkard partier over a multiply-decorated Viet Nam veteran.

You know, this time around, that dog won't hunt. Everybody knows that Sheriff Bush *DIDN'T* get Osama, even though he said he'd get him "dead or alive". And everybody knows that under the leadership of President Obama, we got Osama.

Osama's dead and General Motors is alive.

Your right comrade price, Romney has never been president but were going to correct that in Nov .And we're all real sorry President Romney pissed of a bunch of terrorist Palestinians ...NOT.
Yes comrade, I heard Romney puts his dog on the roof of his car and obama puts his dog on a dinner plate on his table. obama was the leak sunshine , your just to much of a commiecrat to admit it. That's what we have come to expect from you Lefty's you have been spitting on our military heros since Vietnam.

comrade atlint we would never expect you commiecrats to respect the military heros who defend your right to stay stupid and leech off society.So this is how you and comrade price thank our special op vets with derogatory names and slander to protect the POS oblowhole who has compromised them and their families ..nice

JIM:

Next time, check what the Uniform Code of Military Justice requires of soldiers vis-a-vis the Commander-in-Chief. If any of these guys are still serving, they may find themselves in deep trouble.

And whatever happened to the Right Wing idea that we *ALL* need to support our President in a time of war? Was that just so much bullshit to guilt people into supporting George W. Bush?

Comrade atlint, these are former seals who are speaking on behalf of their brothers and sisters in uniform, who the traitor dictator obama has thrown under the bus, with his leaking Intel and secret op info to further his career of destroying our country. These heros speak for those who cant .The ones that obama means to kill with his outing of their identities of them and their families, not to mention the leaks that endanger our national security ...support your president, what a joke the man is a TRAITOR to every man and woman in uniform. He is lower than whale shyt. You F D A were talking about the low life oblowhole leaking American Intel secrets , not bush you dimwit ,get over bush. That's all you mindless obots talk about is bush but thats all you got because you cant defend this traitor with facts ,so you dazzle each other with the ''its bushes fault'' crap.

comrade price ,then you no doubt will understand it perfectly !!

OK, I read this and it has zip to do with your comment... I know, I know... I should have known better than to bother, but even a broken clock is right twice a day and I had hopes.

Gender violence around the world, and how to stop it, imagine the nerve of the US to try to address this issue...

9 Florida Counties Report Faked Voter Registration Forms From GOP-Backed Firm
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-registration-fraud-gop-backed-firm-spreads/story?id=17370445#.UGwnxpgrUSE

…………………THE DECLARATION OF DEPENDENCE……………………………….

When in the course of human events ,it becomes necessary for a government, that was originally, of the people, by the people and for the people, to become ,of the govt ,by the govt and for the govt and dissolve the liberty’s and freedoms of its free people.
We hold these truths to be self evident ,that this govt can do better for the people than they can do for themselves and the people are not its equal and it has endowed upon its creator barack obama, undeniable rights ,so that it might grant its creator the pursuit of happiness ,that the people should willingly pay for. And to secure this right ,this govt must derive its powers ,not from the people, but over the people ,because the govt knows how to run your lives , far better than the people do, and when ever any dissenting people, become destructive to its ends, it is the right of the govt ,to step in and abolish any rights the people might have thought they had, Let us, your govt, provide for you, so that you might have everything …WE.. want you to have, in order to make the illusion that your getting some form of life ,liberty, and the pursuit of everyone being equal, the people must all pledge, to give the govt, their lives ,their fortunes and their sacred obedience , so that we can distribute it equally and fairly among all men, even to those, who will do nothing for themselves or their fellow serfs.

Per Video:
1) Ovide says he will check his party label at the state house door.
2) I want to be a lot like John Lynch
3) I am against gambling

Ovide Lamontagne said that he wants to be “Scott Walker on steroids.”

"New Jobs Report-One person was hired last month"
NF you never cease to entertain us with your moronic comments
www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82083.html

Lil joe da hack is back !!! from his sabbatical at the communist reeducation camps, so joe ,any new obama talking points from the prince of propaganda