Um, only one noticed. And this was because she knew the dead person.

Good grief.

I am getting tired of reading about this little ahole running around pulling this childish crap. So now should everybody have the right to pull this stuff on the American
people. There is going to be a bad ending soon if he keeps invading peoples privacy.
And I mean something bad with the wrong situation

I love the guy.

A Republican's GREATEST FEAR is that WE THE PEOPLE actually get to vote - since they KNOW their class war agenda holds NOTHING for 99% of the population. Republicans are the scourge of democracy.

As GOP guru Paul Weyrich said, "I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."

The only "voter fraud" being committed is by tools like O'Keefe... sent out by his masters to scare everyone into thinking there's a problem... and the only solution is to ensure that poor people, students and other Democratic-leaning populations are disenfranchised.

If Republicans REALLY cared about the integrity of elections, they would want a PAPER TRAIL on their electronic voting machines... that... curiously, always swing in GOP favor when discrepancies are found. You know... like exit polls not being accurate (as they have been until the year 2000) and more votes than are actually registered voters... again... it's so "curious" it has a name - called "RED SHIFT."

And if Repugs truly cared about the integrity of our elections they wouldn't consistently violate a court order in place since 1990 (when they FIRST got caught) by engaging in ILLEGAL VOTER CAGING TACTICS.

I hope O'Keefe's doesn't wait until he's on his death bed, like Lee Atwater, to beg for forgiveness.

Go to Jail, Go straight to jail

excuse me, DML, if the impersonation of dead people is such a threat to democracy (it's not, but if it were), would the most efficient solution not be to ensure that the dead are removed from the voter rolls in a timely manner?

O'keefe's stunt actually backfires if you really think about it. they had to impersonate dead people because those are the only people who they could be sure would not actually show up to the polls themselves. you can't really commit voter fraud any other way, which is why it's not actually a problem, and invites accusations that requiring ID at the polls is actually just an attempt to suppress turnout.

no one has ever been able to explain to me exactly how voter fraud would actually work. now I have an answer: dead people. even if it were a problem, the solution would not be to require ID - it would be to keep better registration records

You do realize that this person did not submit any votes, he was merely pointing out the flaws in the system. If the American people cannot prove there are possible ways that people are manipulating the system, then that allows massive partisan corruption to take place, and is just one more step away from the Democracy we claim to have.

if they didnt vote though, there is no law broken.

To DML: I am a precinct worker at my polling place. We are all volunteers from the community, and that's the point. Of course someone would have recognized that the man whose identity was stolen was not the man attempting to vote. We know and recognize our neighbors, and it is very probable that an attempt to use someone else's identity in our community would be revealed. As far as James O'Keefe is concerned, I too am tired of his antics and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. He is still on probation for his last attempt to wire tap a US Senator's office. He was given probation on the condition that he stop these illegal activities. It is clear from his actions that he has no intention of stopping these activities. I hope they dust off the sentence he incurred before. He manipulates the truth to serve his own interest. He should be ashamed of himself!

To James Weisinger: You are wrong, several laws were broken. The first was identity theft, the second was filming precinct workers without their knowledge or consent. These idiots need to be stopped. They have already hurt a great deal of people with their self serving and manipulative antics, yet they have not been punished. I hope that this will change with these new charges. (If he has an interest in a real investigation, then do a real investigation and not these staged events that are anything but fair or even legal. That entire group should be prosecuted on every charge available.)

Great point Janis, not to mention that they name the dead people, their age and their addresses. A breech of privacy posted all over YouTube!! It's unbelievable that anyone would defend these guys who've behaved in such a way, not only to break the law, but disrespect someone's name who didn't ask to be named, along with their families. Shameful!

To DML (again):You wrote: "@Sonia, no, it would not cost a lot because 99.999 percent of people have an id." You are also wrong about this. Many elderly people don't have id's as well as a lot of other people. Why are you defending a law breaker? It would seem you would be as interested in holding people accountable for their actions. Prosecute them and let the courts sort it out. What they did was wrong, and they should be held accountable.

DML it is a crime to attempt to vote, to ask for a ballot imprersonatine someone else. Funny thing is there have been a few convictions for voting fraud and almost all of them have resulted in Republicans going to prison. IT seems there is a lot more GOP voter fraud than Dem voter fraud.

They haven't broken any laws. My own deceased husband had his name used also. When it happens to you, you will feel differently about it. He did not get 'caught' because he didn't do anything wrong... he videotaped what others do to cheat and freely showed the video. You're off the wall, Jan.

If you don't have an ID, you can sign an affidavit, which is upheld in the court of law. There is a system.

Suppose other people decide to start running around pulling these stunts on both

sides of the aisle! You will have BAD endings if the wrong person feels revenge. Got It?

I do not understand what you mean. IMO, the more folks that expose these weaknesses in the system the better.

There is still an honor system. Look at this like shoplifting: it's real easy to do, and nobody will stop you, but you are breaking the law and can be arrested and jailed for it. Same with voting. Just because it's easy to pull off an illegal vote, so what? And to those who want ID asked for: you DO know ID can be faked, right?

This under-endowed loser just can't stand his name not being in the news for 30 days, that's all.

"Look at this like shoplifting: it's real easy to do, and nobody will stop you"

There is a clear monetary incentive to shoplift. No such incentive exists for voting. This is the primary reason why voter fraud such as this is not wide spread. Stealing single votes like this is not an effective way to change election outcomes, unless you are talking about a very small voting population, and in that case such manipulation is much more easy to spot.

This guy was able to show that a few people were able to vote illegally, but for all that effort, and money, they would have picked up six extra votes. Fraud on this scale requires a lot of time, a lot of organization, and a lot of people to be effective. And once you involve larger and larger numbers of people you are much more likely to be caught. A simple cost benefit makes it obvious why this type of fraud has not been a major issue anywhere in the country.

To change an election it is far more cost effective to repress voter turnout. Voter ID laws put up an obstacle to voting that many, specifically those of lesser means, do not have the time or money to overcome.

blame the governor.... he vetoed a bill that WOULD make people show a proper ID

When you register to vote, they ask for ID, if you don't have one you can sign an affidavit, which is upheld in the court of law. This means that they really broke the law and should be held responsible in court! There is a system.

Who checks the affidavit to make sure it is not a dead person?

The moderator's boss at city hall is supposed to check the obituary every week and delete the names. They probably chose names of people who had died recently, and still, they got caught, so I'm confident that the system is working. Unfortunate that they were so dumb to try, now they will have to face the law. Who knows, maybe they'll be dumb enough to open other people's mail in the future to see what happens? That's against the law too, but there are not so many watch dogs.....yet most peole still know enough not to try. I feel bad for dumb people.

Nice try, but one of the people had been dead for three months.

Again, not all supervisors do their jobs right. If you are stupid enough to try and get caught, then too bad for you. They got caught, the system worked, too bad for them. In Japan, if you steal, you get 10 lashings to your back to blood. When I went to a restaurant, four ladies stood up to go to the bathroom together and left their wallets and pocketbooks on the table. I was in awe! My friend explained that the laws are so strict, no one would dare steal! Voters feel the same way. Maybe if O'Keefe is as dumb as he looks, he'll do his next documentary on film regarding what happens if you open someone else's mail: federal offense. This situation is just as dumb as what he just did: incriminate himself on tape.

Um, they were not doing this to vote, they were exposing the weaknesses in the system.

Um, they were too dumb to know that they were committing a crime while trying their little project to show weaknesses in the system. Even funnier, is they got caught, which shows the system works just fine!

LOL @Sonia. They knew exactly what they were doing. This is what they do for a living, expose corruption or weaknesses in the system.

You need to go back and read the article. I don't think you understand.

@DML: I hope you are not arguing that these guys should be treated differently because they claim to be exposing a weakness. The law doesn't allow for that.

Wish more light had been shown on Ann Coulter's little bit of voter fraud where she voted in the wrong state.

Even if they are there are many more to step into their place.

blame the governor who vetoed a voter ID Bill.
what they did was expose why there needs to be voter IDs when one shows up to vote, no matter what city or state you are in.

They broke the law, they were caught, the process works.

If you want voter ID, then begin by spending a year and billions of dollars to produce and deliver Photo IDs to every citizen. When that is done, then make that part of the voting process. Or let the process work as it always has in NH.

However, there is a larger and more important point to this investigation, which is the point of the illegal activity by this group, and that is that potential vote fraud is alive and well in the United States.
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Gee, you seem to miss the point. No one was attempting voter fraud, but the so-called investigative journalist.

Voter fraud occurs so infrequently, it is impossible to actually change the election results. If that were possible, then it would be a problem.

All Identification laws do is disenfranchise the very poor.

It amazes me that Republicans act like Pavlov's dogs, and start foaming at the mouth about a non-existent problem.

The problem with the new voter ID laws trying to be passed all over the place is the requirement of a government issued photo ID. A utility bill, student ID, etc. should be able to ID a voter who is already on the books. The govt issued photo ID requirement will potentially disenfranchise up to 5 million voters this year, mainly minority, older and poor voters will be hit with this. They are already registered to vote, but may not have the proper Govt. issued ID, and therefore will not be able to vote, which is wrong.

O'Keefe and company will hopefully be prosecuted and serve time for these crimes. As noted above, the fact that they were caught, proves that it isn't easy to commit voter fraud in the first place.

It would not cost billions to get ids for the 20 or so people who say they do not have one.

@DML, if you do for one, you have to do for all. Didn't think that needed explanation. Why should they pay for the 20 who don't have ID, and not for mine? It would cost A LOT!

@Sonia, no, it would not cost a lot because 99.999 percent of people have an id.

at DML, how would you make a law for that? Um, the people who were too lazy or couldn't afford to get their ID, we'll pay for it? Do you think the people will agree with that? Please tell me how your system plan would work? Why should I have to pay for mine, if they don't pay for theirs?

@Sonia it would not be a special voting card. It would be a state issued id that we would pay for if they could show they could not afford to buy one. And, yes, we would be willing to pay for it since the expense would be low compared to what we get for it. That is how the other states do it.

And if they are too lazy, then too bad. Voting is a privilege.

Again, if it were that simple and cheap, it would have been done by now. It's not a problem, the system caught the dumb people and it's obviously cheaper not to change a system that works, than to offer free cards for all. You realize you need employees that know what they are doing, equipment and materials to offer something for free for many right?

but since the governor vetoed the bill.....

The Id policy is a major attempt to disenfranchise especially the elderly who usually don't have photo ID.
In addition they attempted to vote using a live mane voting rights.

DML actually about 21% of Americans who are eligible to vote do not have government issued photo ID.

The law says you can film any public official while doing their job, especially where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. There was no law broken and the Governor has even said as much.

They did not break any laws, they merely asked if a ballot was available for XYZ person and were told yes. They tried to offer ID but were told not to show it. To claim someone broke the law you have to claim intent. There was no intent here to vote.

The process is flawed. The town needs to look each week at the obituaries and remove those names right away to prevent abuse.

Billions of dollars are not needed to get an ID.

Stopping illegal voting is an extreme agenda? NOT wanting to stop it is the extreme. What are your motives for that?

You forgot to say "representing a dead person is illegal" and "filming someone without permission is illigal" and posting anyone's personal information in public is illegal. This isn't a competition on who should commit the worst crimes. There are ways to make people follow the law or bust people by investigating legally, this was not OK. I hope they get punished with the law that protects all who were disrespected in this film.

@Robert same to you:)

Actually Acorn has never been convicted of voter fraud. There has been no evidence that they had. Funnily enough there were some people who turned in fraudulant registrations and Acorn identified the probable fraud to the registrar of voters as is required by law ( it would have been illegal for them to not turn in the registrations). They then cooperated with law enforcement in getting convictions of the signature gatherers that comitted fraud. Acorn obeyed the law. Littl more Okeefe broke the law and he attempted to get a ballot of a live New Hampshire voter, But he failed, it seems the poll worker knew he was a fraud.
Funnily enough almost everyone who has been convicted of voter fraud has been a member of the GOP.

@ dtyoshi
Thank you. ACORN never committed voter fraud. Some of the people the organization hired actually tried to defraud ACORN by submitting made up names during a registration drive.

You nailed it!

Really? Then why were acorn workers arrested?

DML your information is wrong. No Acorn workers were arrested. In fact, investigations by the Congressional Research Office, the attorneys general of New York and California, the Government Accountability office, and an independent research investigation by the law firm Proskauer Rose found absolutely no wrongdoing by Acorn or its staff. All investigations noted the heavily edited/doctored video released by Project Veritas as proof of manipulation by the group. Unedited videos proved no wrongdoing on the part of ACORN. Unfortunately, O'Keefe's lies resulted in the loss of a solid community organization.

@Robert, you are incorrect. Acorn workers have been arrested for voter fraud in FL, PA, WI and maybe more.

Google it.

DML, please provide documentation that in the case being discussed in Robin's comment (i.e., O'Keefe's ACORN videos) that any of these workers were arrested. This was the point being discussed. See the Wickipedia summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos_controversy.

As for ACORN workers being arrested in voter fraud cases, you might be correct. However, the largest analysis of voter fraud that I'm aware of, completed by the U.S. Justice Department, found over a five year period (2002-2007) only 86 indictments for voter fraud; 120 were charged and only 86 were convicted across the entire U.S. over a five year period. Think about it, even if all of those instances were in one district it would not have influenced an election. It is not a problem worth wasting legislative time to address. See the following for a review of the research: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?

Voter fraud is NOT a problem or even an issue in the U.S. contrary to what any Republican says. It is a method of voter suppression. Here is a brief from the Brennan Center on this issue: http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/.

And here is another article to review: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/03/us/new-state-laws-are-limiting-access-for-voters.html?

@Robert, yes, many Acorn workers were arrested for voter fraud, which is why they were shut down. And, yes, there are many local elections in which a very few fraudulent votes could change the outcome of the election. Think about the Iowa primary--the winner won by something like 8 votes.

That Brennan piece is pure propaganda. I could give you something just like that from the Rs.

And if it has to do with voter suppression, then why do states offer to pay for the price of the id?

DML, we'll agree to disagree on these issues. You're not going to convince me and vice versa. Thanks for keeping it polite though.

Thank you! The way the media insists on portraying the attack against Acorn and its subsequent de-funding is a travesty and solid evidence of GOP desire to use any (fabricated or not) excuse to shut down efforts to get more Americans registered to vote. Add to the Acorn attack the fact that some GOP pols actually suggested only property owners should be able to vote and their intent is clear: Disenfranchise the common people and turn democracy into a banana republic sham.

actually he did expose ACORN because they were willing to help him and the girl at the time get federal monies even though, as the videos showed. he and the girl were going to bring in underage children from another country for prostitution.....

and acorn was willing to still help them...... whats the real problem?????

No James that is what Fox said. But it was proven that the heavily edited tape was a fraud. The Acorn worker actually called the police and turned in the lying fraudulent pretender.

how do we know that he didnt contact the families of the dead and got permission to use their names in this operation?

@DML The only ACORN workers prosecuted were those that ACORN turned in to the police. No ACORN prosecutions resulted from any action by O'Keef.
@James Weisinger ACORN were not in any way assisting O'Keef to bring in under age girls for prostitution. In fact they alerted the authorities. O'Keef's libelous videos were edited to mislead the willingly gullible.
The real problem with ACORN is that they assisted in the completely legal registration of voters. Because it was mostly poor people that they assisted the GOP assumed that most would not be their supporters. The GOP prefer low polling turnouts because they do better then. The GOP will do all they can legal or not to prevent their opponents form exercising their legal right to vote! That is why they worked all out to trash ACORN!
That is the reason for the spurious ID requirements they are foisting on the electorate.

Steve: What did O'Keefe do, edit the comments made by someone who was not an Acorn worker into the film? The fact is that Acorn workers were telling them to bury their money in the backyard to avoid having to claim it on taxes. They also told him that his prostitutes should file taxes as "performance artists". This guy claimed to be looking for help procuring a mortgage on a home to use as a brothel for 14 year old girls and they helped him! Acorn tried to claim it was edited, but how do you edit clips "into" a film if they didn't exist in the first place?

This matter is not a GOP or DNC matter...it's a legal vs. illegal matter. And the fact is that Acorn employees illegally advised him to bury his money and commit tax evasion. And, as far as Acorn assisting "in the completely legal registration of voters", tell me again why they were found guilty of false registrations, and the illegal practice of requiring registration quotas by their employees.

And if they did, do you think they would have turned them in if O'Keefe had not done the sting?? Let me answer that for you--heck no.

Somehow my post did not get posted in full. Here is the first part:

@Steve Lane not sure about the fact that Acorn turned in all of the workers themselves--got links for that?

Well James we know he didn't because at least one of the dead people he attempted to impersonate wasn't dead. It seems Jimmy didn't do his homework. He is not only alive but is severly angry at Okeefe who spread his personal info all over the web.

When you register to vote, they ask for ID, if you don't have one you can sign an affidavit, which is upheld in the court of law. This means that they really broke the law and should be held responsible in court! There is a system. We all know that opening someone else's mail is illegal, so I doubt any of these dumb people would try that documentary, so it comes down to dumb people who got caught, which proves the system is working.

It worked in one case of how many?

voter fraud means you actually voted... is there any part of the video that shows them voting?

I suspect there will be a prosecution. At least one of the people they attempted to impersonate is still alive and is planning to press charges over this criminal spreading his personal information all over You Tube.

James impersonating another person to get a ballot is a criminal offense. He attempted to steal the vote of another American. That is a crime.

How do they go to the doctor, Angela?

Agreed. Disenfranchisement of certain members of society is voter fraud, the same as lying or pretending to be someone else so you can vote twice.

Can you explain who or what are "at risk members of our society" are? Seems to me that everyone has the opportunity to vote. No one will be denied their right to vote. The voter ID is to keep those that do not have the right to vote..plain and simple.

Raymond most senior citizens who have given up driving do not have photo ID. In fact most people who do not drive don't have voter ID. Everyone does not drive or fly. For many people living in large cities they have no need to drive. Today almost no one pays with a check, and you don't need ID to use a debit card.

Please advise where it says that he voted.

DML, just saying that you are someone that you are not, at a voting poll, is a crime. It's intentional, just like filming soemeone without permission....a little study would have helped them figure that out....again, they were dumb, next they'll try to open one's mail on film and see if it's "really" a federal offense.....dumb.

Exactly... under federal law, it's illegal to obtain a ballot fraudulently, even if you don't actually use it. Under New Hampshire law, it's a class A felony to simply ASK for a ballot using fraudulent information. Especially considering that he's still on probation, O'keefe is gonna be in a lot of trouble here.

If he broke a law, he will be arrested. He has been arrested before and his work went on. Thank God we have people like this who work to expose corruption and weaknesses in the system.

Thank god we have stupid people getting caught doing stupid things! Key word here "got caught". Maybe he'll try the mail thing next. lol

It looks to me as if Okeefe is the corruption and weakness in the system. He is a convicted felon who is attempting to vote? Did he have his voting rights returned to him? He then lies to get a ballot from another voter ( who is still alive, and mad) he puts the voter's personal information out on the internet. He films without permission. I personally think a convicted felon attempting to steal the identity of another voter at the polling place is about as corrupt as you can get.

with all due respect, there is no comparison

Actually at least one of the guys is alive and is furious that this piece of slime impersonated him and attempted to get his ballot and steal his vote.
I don't know if it is worse to give aid to the enemy in handing them a recruiting viideo or in attempting corruption at the ballot box and stealing another voters ballot. Both of them are criminal activities and both should be prosecuted.

What would you think about him if he was an operative for the Ds and exposed R corruption?

so you are okay knowing that people who are dead are still on the registray to vote and still finding some way to vote?

DML he didn't expose Democratic corruption. He exposed Republican corruption. There was no effort of a Democrat to take the ballot of another voter while impersonating the other voter. It was a Republican who attempted to steal the ballot of another voter. The live person he attempted to steal the ballot of is upset and is planning to push the DA to prosecute. There was no Democratic fraud. There was only Republican fraud.

James, it turned out that the guy whose ballot he was attemptin to get was still alive. Okeefe got it wrong. He is alive and not happy that OKeefe attemted to steal his ballot and spread his name and personal ID all over the internet. The dead guy
? His name had already been taken off the rolls.

That was not the question, Angela. But then you know that don't you?

Would you like him if he found Republican voter suppression?

of course, your are going to say that since its obvious that your a democrat and do not have a problem knowing that DEAD PEOPLE are somehow voting in elections?
wake up you fool

The only person that attempted to vote on behalf of a dead person was a Republican, O keefe. The dweeb couldn't even get that right. He ended up attempting to get the ballot of a live person ( the dead one already was taken off the rolls). He then compounded his felony by spreading the personal information of the LIVE voter he attempted to steal the vote of all over the internet.

yeah right. if there is no voter fraud how come TV stations are looking at registered voters in precenits and comparing them to the list of dead people, or looking at jury rolls and seeing who claimed to not be US Citizens but yet still voted? yes this happened. the last one was reported by WSB in atlanta after the 2008 elections. the first one i mentioned was after the 2006 mid term elections where people who had been dead more than five years somehow voted..... oh, and people who are not americans by law are committing a crime when they vote

TV stations can look but so far they haven't found any evidence of voter fraud ( okeefe's efforts aside) The Bushie administration also tried to find voter fraud and failed ( fired a lot of Attorneys when they couldn't find any)

how do you know that they did not get permission from the familes first before doing this

Jame it is clear they didn't get permission. At least one of their victims is alive and not amused that someone tried to steal their vote. He also not amused that Okeefe spread his personal info all over the internet. The widow of a dead person he tried to get a ballot of is also not amused. I think it is pretty clear that he didn't get anyone's permission to steal the identies.

No, I am not him, I am a she. Like I said if he did anything illegal, he will go to jail. Despite this, he is a hero and what he has done will certainly change the way things are done in NH and other states.

And I did not know he was straight.

That is the extreme right wing, their heros are criminals. He is a convicted criminal who probably doesn't have the right to vote and heads out attempting to steal the votes of people who are at least in one case still alive. Looks to me like the GOP is full of either criminals or their admirers.

Sorry, Angie, yes the SEIU provides the techs for the voting machines.

@ Steve

Thank you. In America, voter fraud isn't a problem, ELECTION fraud is. Why isn't this dude investigating Diebold's easily hackable machines, or that corporation's ties to the GOP?

actually David Diebold is tied into the SEIU thugs and the votes come out Democrat.
I dont know if you remember or not but more than a couple of people in Nevada came forward in the mid term election that said they voted for Sharron Angle but when they went to close their vote, it registered Harry Reid. this happened in las vegas and in reno

@ James. I didn't know that, James. I'd like to know more, though. Can you supply a link?

David: I tried to find the actual video's on youtube of the machines recording votes wrong that were filmed by voters with their cell phones. Surprise! Surprise! They've been scrubbed! You can still look them up but when you try to play them they have been removed.

However there are several videos on how easily the machines can be tampered with, even remotely! Here is a report by CNN on a Princeton study on the machines:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hCyVsUir8k

@David Victory google seiu and diebold. You will find that the technicians for these machines are members of the SEIU. Doubt they are going to flip them R.

Wrong DML Diebold's technicians are not SEIU. Diebold is a non union company owned by a Republican who actually made a speech about how he intended to hand the election to George Bush in 2000. You tube is made up of interesting videos but it is not factual. Anyone can put together anything they want there is no fact checking. Keep in mind in Ohio in 2004 using Diebold machines in a democratic precinct there were more votes registered for George Bush that there were registered voters in the entire precinct

DML are probably her initials, moron

@James Weisinger. It's a sure sign you are losing the argument when you can only resort to name calling.

Actually he was right, Steve Lane.

And how can you let us know that your REAL name????

There is no need. The person in question got caught. He had an agenda. No one else would attempt this act because the punishment is harsh in NH. There hasn't been a problem, paying for everyone to have ID would cost way too much.

I do not agree with you. I am a long time precinct volunteer and suggest that you should volunteer at the polls if you have concerns. You will enjoy it and it will make you feel much more protective towards you and your neighbors right to vote. And you get to stay in touch with your neighbors and community members. By the way, our most ardent voters are the elderly, many of whom no longer have ID, because they don't drive any longer. Also, many of the younger folks don't have driver's licenses either. That's why we, the precinct workers are neighbor's and community member, who would typically know our voters and fellow community members.
Really, if you are going to comment on the efficacy of our voting precincts, you should show up and work at one. You will see that our system works well. James O'Keefe is hardly a role model nor a reliable "whistle blower". His videos manipulate the truth for his own vested interest. By the way, how does this young man earn his money? What does he do for a job? Is he being paid for what he is doing? Who is paying him, and why? Don't drink the Kool Aid without asking what's in it. Please look deeper....but again, just volunteer and get a first hand look at the process.

so you as a democrat are okay knowing that dead people vote in elections?
i suggest that you do some reading and research. there was a tv station in san antonio, texas that looked at two preceints after the 2006 midterms.... they found three troubling things........
1 felons who lost their right to vote, actually voted
2 illegal aliens voted. when the station got two on cam their attitude was one of "yes we voted... who cares, its no big deal. they said this after they were told they committed a crime by voting cuz they were not americans.
3, and here is the best one............ people who had been DEAD FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS somehow voted.
CAN you honestly sit there and tell me that you are okay knowing things like this?????

Actually there was not voter fraud. There were allegations of voter fraud. There was no prosecution of the alleged fraud, so I doubt it happened. I suspect a FOX TV station making up the news. You are aware that not only does FOX manufacture the news but went to court and sued for the right to manufacture the news and won. If it didn't go to court, I don't believe it happened.

Yes, Angie. There were Acorn folks arrested and convicted of voter fraud.

You need to read more.

Um, they posted them on purpose.

Yes they did post them, they are not the brightest bunnies in the hutch. The comitted a whole vaiety of crimes to prove that GOP operatives commit voter fraud if they can wrangle it, they attempted to steal the vote of a live New Hampshire voter. They didn't prove the Democrats commit fraud, the proved that the rather dim GOP operatives lie, commit fraud, attemt to impersonate a live voter and get their ballot, film illegally, put the personal information of the person ( live) whose ballot the attempted to get up on the internet. Then not content with that they put their crimes up on the internet. Not the sharpest knoves in the drawer. Oh in addition Okeefe is a convicted criminal, can he even legally vote?

Who said they did not post them?

and you really think that media matters is honest?? and that they are not one sided in their views????

Media Doesn'tMatter is what they should be called.

@ Jack
"...voter fraud (which is rampant since same day registration..."

Rapant voter fraud? Really? Let's see some evidence.

Jack, you cite your own experience with what seems to be fraud, but I have to ask that you offer some kind of evidence of "rampant" votor fraud if you want to make such broad claims.

"The reason that voter fraud is not widely reported is due to the position that once a person who has completed voting is caught, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to correct the fraud" -- I don't see the logic here. Whether the vote counts or not has no bearing on the criminal aspect of voter fraud or whether it is reported.
From all the actual evidence, fraud is not widely reported because it is extremely uncommon. The Juctice Department investigates voter fraud, and has done so under the administration of both political parties for decades, and the data to suggest fraud on either large or small scales is just not there.

"Those that oppose this universal and simple check would have us believe that there is a large population out there who are too poor or ignorant to get an ID". - Ignorant is your word Jack. Poverty in the US is a fact, and in the last few years the number of families living under the poverty level has increased significantly. Given the choice between taking a day off without pay, and feeding your family for a day, esp when you are living hand to mouth, feeding your family will win every time.

I do not agree with you. I am a long time precinct volunteer and suggest that you should volunteer at the polls if you have concerns. You will enjoy it and it will make you feel much more protective towards you and your neighbors right to vote. And you get to stay in touch with your neighbors and community members. By the way, our most ardent voters are the elderly, many of whom no longer have ID, because they don't drive any longer. Also, many of the younger folks don't have driver's licenses either. That's why we, the precinct workers are neighbor's and community member, who would typically know our voters and fellow community members.
Really, if you are going to comment on the efficacy of our voting precincts, you should show up and work at one. You will see that our system works well. James O'Keefe is hardly a role model nor a reliable "whistle blower". His videos manipulate the truth for his own vested interest. By the way, how does this young man earn his money? What does he do for a job? Is he being paid for what he is doing? Who is paying him, and why? Don't drink the Kool Aid without asking what's in it. Please look deeper....but again, just volunteer and get a first hand look at the process.

I do not agree with you. I am a long time precinct volunteer and suggest that you should volunteer at the polls if you have concerns. You will enjoy it and it will make you feel much more protective towards you and your neighbors right to vote. And you get to stay in touch with your neighbors and community members. By the way, our most ardent voters are the elderly, many of whom no longer have ID, because they don't drive any longer. Also, many of the younger folks don't have driver's licenses either. That's why we, the precinct workers are neighbor's and community member, who would typically know our voters and fellow community members.
Really, if you are going to comment on the efficacy of our voting precincts, you should show up and work at one. You will see that our system works well. James O'Keefe is hardly a role model nor a reliable "whistle blower". His videos manipulate the truth for his own vested interest. By the way, how does this young man earn his money? What does he do for a job? Is he being paid for what he is doing? Who is paying him, and why? Don't drink the Kool Aid without asking what's in it. Please look deeper....but again, just volunteer and get a first hand look at the process.

What did they do with the ballot?

They didn't take it!!! They left the polling place. Do you really think they would allow him to leave the polling place with a ballot?

I know Lorna. I am on your side here:)

DML I was typing while you were posting. The comment was meant for Rick. BTW if you want to have a discussion with fellow conservatives, meet us at Bonhoeffer's cafe Saturday morning at 9:12 AM.

I am so sick and tired of people resorting to "the video was edited"! The fact is that this guy did NOT leave the polling place with the ballot! He would have been stopped at the door by security. If you have something in your hand that does not belong to you and you hand it back you have NOT procured that item. You will notice that they did not say "I am ----" they said "the name is----", so they technically didn't even impersonate someone. I know this is nit picking but it shows that they had no intention of breaking the law, and went about their investigation carefully. As far as being "heavily edited", show me where! Do you have copies of the original tapes? Where is there evidence of it being edited, other than each individual case being filmed separately and being combined into the entire video it does not appear to have been edited at all.

I know this is off subject, if you raised your kids to be pro choice like you then you should thank God that your a Grandma!

You think there are only two political parties? You think everyone who thinks this guy is a dishonest creep are democrats? People who think have real journalists like Amy Goodman.

You clearly buy into this O'Keefe bull, so please explain to me how this supposed voter fraud, if it was actually something that happens more than once in a blue moon, works. I want to know how you think it works. Do you believe that there are democratic operatives busing in illegal immigrants to vote? Because if you have 20 or 30 people committing voter fraud that would make no difference at all. You need thousands and thousands of fraudulant votes in order to sway an election. For that you need extreme organization and you have to keep everyone from talking about it. And if any of those thousands and thousands of illegal voters got caught, they have an incentive to rat out the organizers of this thing you imagine is happening. So tell me how it works and how they don't get caught.

Wrong again, sir. I do not agree with you. You should volunteer at the polls if you have concerns. You will enjoy it and it will make you feel much more protective towards you and your neighbors right to vote. And you get to stay in touch with your neighbors and community members. By the way, our most ardent voters are the elderly, many of whom no longer have ID, because they don't drive any longer. Also, many of the younger folks don't have driver's licenses either.
Really, if you are going to comment on the efficacy of our voting precincts, you should show up and work at one. You will see that our system works well. James O'Keefe is hardly a role model nor a reliable "whistle blower". His videos manipulate the truth for his own vested interest. By the way, how does this young man earn his money? What does he do for a job? Is he being paid for what he is doing? Who is paying him, and why? Don't drink the Kool Aid without asking what's in it. Please look deeper....but again, just volunteer and get a first hand look at the process.

I love it that you never responded, DML, and I think I know why. It's not because your argument is not really valid, it's because you don't care if you are right or wrong. You decided that one side was good no matter what and you will defend that side, right or wrong. I know you don't really care if poor people are denied the right to vote, you don't think they will choose wisely so it doesn't bother you to hurt them. I know you can't be honest on this message board, and that's OK. Just be honest with yourself.

@Jeremy, I have been on vacation--good grief. And what I care about is both--voter fraud and allowing everyone to vote. The libs don't care about the fraud part.

I will pass on the invitation to read Brad's (aka DK-lite) propaganda. He is green with envy over Breitbarts's success.

DML- Wrong.... The "conserves" don't care about the [election] fraud they are trying to commit with voter suppression.

In what way did I not sustain my argument?

There are lots of people who don't have IDs. I am glad you live in such upscale conditions that you never meet any of these people, but i know at least one voting age person without an ID in every neighboring family. Some of these people rarely follow the news. It is likely that if we had a voter ID law passed in our state that they would not discover this until they went to vote, at which time it would be too late. That is why these laws are written, to keep the people I just described from voting.

The difference being that the right to vote is enshrined in the Constitution...the right to cash a cheque or drive a car is not. Any obstacle placed in the way of citizens to vote is unconstitutional--and obtaining an ID is an obstacle for many, including the elderly, the rural poor, the urban poor, and college students. If one believes that preventing millions of Americans from voting is worth preventing only hundreds of instances of voter fraud, then one does not think very highly of our Constitution.

OK, so explain how having a voter ID would have helped them find your name on the list? There was obviously a list management problem. You walking around with an ID would not have magically fixed the list. That just doesn't make any sense! Again, voter ID's can be faked, like anything else, no fool proof system. Do you have a plan to fix that too? Remember, they don't really have a fraudulent voter problem, and the idiot who tried to find a problem got caught; hence, the system works just fine.

Pete, as I suspect you already know, no verification of "rampant" voter fraud has been provided by anyone on this board...because none exists.

VOTER fraud isn't an issue. ELECTION fraud is.